Making Donna Troy's Origin Easy: UPDATE
UPDATE: I was chatting with Phil Jimenez about Donna Troy (as I often do!) and he liked my solution for "Making Donna Troy's Origin Easy". I can't think of a higher compliment!
Phil writes (on this blog response, if you look...):
"I love this version and for what it's worth, I'm trying to get DC to adopt it as canon!
Phil Jimenez"
Thanks for the support, Phil!
LOVE that you love it! :) Means alot coming from you
Now it's up to DC Comics......
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I figured out a very simple way to fix Donna Troy's origin. Now, don't run away... really. And it's extremely simple. It occured to me as I was updating Donna Troy's page, restoring Donna's connections to the Amazons in "New Earth" continuity, as revealed in recent events. Yes, I used the words "Donna Troy's origin" and "extremely simple" in one sentence. Read on!
There are two things "essential" to Donna:
1. She was raised by the Titans of Myth and
2. she is Wonder Woman's little sister and a Amazon.
Donna's simple origin: Infant Donna Troy was saved from a fire by the Titan Rhea, who brought her to New Chronus and gifted her with amazing abilities. After growing up on New Chronus with the Titans of Myth, Donna was sent to earth at age 13 and left in the care of the Amazons, who would teach her humility. Donna was adopted by Queen Hippolyta, and thrilled to the exploits of her sister, Wonder Woman. Deciding to follow in her sister's footsteps, Donna became Wonder Girl and soon joined the Teen Titans. Later, Donna reunited with the Titans of Myth and embraced her original Titanic heritage as the heroine, Troia.
This is actually supported by events depicted since INFINITE CRISIS, where it was established that Wonder Woman was one of the founding members of the JLA in the new, restructured reality. This restored Wonder Woman as pre-dating Wonder Girl, which has been the problem plaguing Donna since the first Crisis. We have seen young Donna living with the Amazons in WONDER WOMAN #1 (2005) and TEEN TITANS: YEAR ONE (2007-2008). Diana is also restored as Donna's maid of honor at her wedding, as shown in JLA #0 (2005). I think we can safely assume Donna was adopted by the Amazons and became Diana's little sister in the post INFINITE CRISIS continuity.
Yes, there's Donna's SUPPOSED "new origin" in WONDER WOMAN ANNUAL #1 (2007). But it comes with a new host of problems. It eliminates the rescue from a fire, which eliminates "Who IS Donna Troy?" -- it also keeps Donna as an identical twin... it glosses over the importance of the Titans of Myth by stating that Donna is raised (jointly? shared custody?) by both Titans of Myth and Amazons. It's terrible and I reject it utterly. It's already been contradicted, if you look carefully.
Now, Donna's Titans of Myth origin has become as important as her Amazon origin at this point. So that is still firmly in continuity. As readers may remember, the Titans of Myth originally sent their Titan seeds back to their homeworlds at age 13 to learn humility, after stripping them of their memories. Donna was given false memories and lived at Kanigher Orphanage. So we'll tweak that a bit in new continuity, and just assume the Titans of Myth left her in the care of the Amazons (who, remember, would worship the Titan of Myth like gods). It would make sense that they would entrust Donna to the Amazons.
So having Donna spend half her life with the Titans of Myth, and the other half with the Amazons makes perfect sense. It also restores all the important Pre-Crisis Diana-Donna-Hippolyta stories and interactions. It also keeps virtually every story detail concerning the Titans of Myth.
If you think about it, Donna's childhood on New Chronus is very important (but her childhood on Paradise Island less so). Donna's teen years on Paradise Island are more defining, since its always been very vague where she lived while she was a member of the team during the Cardy era. So her initial days of venturing into Man's World (untold, mostly) are somewhat similar to what we are seeing in YEAR ONE. Or, if you prefer, Early Donna is somewhat similar to TV Wonder Girl Drusilla, who was intrigued by Man's World.
Now, what needs to be wiped away is the Bryne revisions of Donna as Diana's "mystical twin" and the whole angle of Donna's "multiple lives." These two elements seem to be the most confusing aspects of Donna's origin, and they are no longer needed.Byrne made a nice-try attempt to restore Donna as Diana's "sister" and sort of make all of Donna's myriad origins "true." But we no longer need these band-aids when we have the very simple Titans of Myth and Amazon upbringings. I would dismiss these "revelations" as a mystical ruse of Dark Angel, who is an insane trickster with a deep hatred for Donna Troy.
Dark Angel would still be an alternate Donna Troy who escaped her own reality, but was driven insane as a result. So her recollections and ramblings cannot be trusted. She may be misremembering realities throughout the multiverse... or just trying to torture Donna, who she hates as her opposite number.
This simple fix would make Donna's origin ridiculously simple again, and we would lose no stories in the process. Dark Angel still tortured Donna in WONDER WOMAN #130-136 and TITANS #23-25. But all her ramblings are that of a madwoman. Byrne's band-aids were a "made sense" fix at the time, but now they just weight the character down. File them under "Punisher as avenging angel" and 'Guy Garnder as part alien" and other such wrong-turn character moments. We shall never speak of it again.
I'm not a fan of constantly trying to "fix" Donna's origin.... but restoring WW as JLA founder solves many things, and eliminates the need for the absolute most confusing things that trip up new fans -- the "mystic twin" and "multiple lives" -- where fans have trouble grasping the cascading-happening-at-same-time multiple lives, the reasoning on why Donna isn't Diana's identical twin (or is she?, as some writers even confuse that fact), why they aren't the same age, etc...
If DC is very careful with this ret-con, they can eliminate Donna's confusing backstory and retain most of her important, defining character moments.
Donna Troy: Fixed!
Labels: if i ran titans
32 Comments:
At 1:51 PM, B.G. Christensen said…
Works for me.
At 1:55 PM, Caine said…
Call Dan Didio...you saved Donna
At 4:28 PM, Anonymous said…
BRILLIANT!
If this origin isn't used, DC really has its head up its ass.
Based on Donna's Amazon connections since Infinite Crisis, I thought that maybe Hippolyta saved her from the burning building (since they appear to be sticking with her as a WWII Wonder Woman on New Earth). But I was wondering how the Titans of Myth would fit in.
You've solved all the problems. Delightful.
At 12:45 AM, D-Man said…
Over the years since New Teen Titans, we have been presented these stories about her, and this is pretty much the story that made sense to me. I didn't follow the story with Dark Angel as closely as I should have, and maybe it was because it sort of screwed things up so much for Donna's character.
When you have several different approaches on a character, I guess the concepts can become a real mess. There have been times where I thought Donna was over-traumatized. She had to struggle with her identity, but as she learned different things there was tragedy present. The sort of neglect she was dealt before the fire was sad. After the wedding, the writers do all this stuff to make her marriage problematic, as if Terry didn't know what he was in for marrying a heroine. Then, her pregnancy - okay, there can be no joy when your fetus does that kind of rapid development within you. Then, that beloved child becomes a maniacal omnipotent and goes by the name Lord Chaos. A bit later, there's the accident. The way that Terry and her little boy were killed off was just unnecessary, in my opinion. She finally gets to this point where she's got her history figured out, and she's got this Dark Angel causing her duress, splintering all of it. Then, after her friends help to re-create her, she has to figure it out again. She gets killed off. But wait, the goddess aspect of her arises again. She's brought back again. In 52 she is given a post in space with which to learn the History of the DC Universe. Only to be thrown in with the likes of Jason Todd. And now, that new costume in Titans. I mean ...give this girl a break.
At 1:00 AM, WONDERCHARLIE said…
I loove it, love it love it! Thanks , *hi-five*!
At 6:51 AM, Anonymous said…
Great Origin! It actually works! Anyone have Didio's e-mail address?
Keep Dark Angel as an alternate Donna eh? Which Earth is she from then?
At 10:34 AM, Mr Saturday Morning said…
Dark Angel is from Earth-7: "Originally an alternate reality Donna Troy from Earth-7, the young girl was raised by the villainous Anti-Monitor to be his harbinger of doom - and adopted the name Dark Angel."
Dark Angel history:
http://titanstower.com/source/whoswho/darkangel.html
At 2:49 PM, Titã said…
Bill.
You know what I think... It is perfect!
Future DC's writers. Pay attention here!!!!
At 12:09 AM, Anonymous said…
Simple, elegant, with a minimum of retconnage. I like it!
At 6:41 AM, Unknown said…
That's a perfect Bill.
Okay, almost, I'm still dreaming the day, that they'll allow Donna to have her titan powers back.
It bothers me so much that DC keeps taking away the uniqueness of the Original 5, with how much they were able to become they're own aside of their mentors.
At 2:11 PM, Anonymous said…
Sounds good!
~ Rick
At 6:50 PM, Anonymous said…
Just Stick with what it was before the Crisis Reboot caused all the Mayhem.
At 4:42 AM, Anonymous said…
The only thing I'm wondering is why Rhea would give Donna exactly Wonder Woman's powers. Seems a little too coincidental.
At 9:45 PM, Anonymous said…
Sent it to Judd Winick....Next Titans arc will be.....Who's Donna Troy the final definitive version.
At 8:17 AM, Anonymous said…
From a Brazilian guy who always read the tower, but takes this as the first oportunity to comment:
Absolutely perfect!
One of the most confused origins in the history of Comic books now is Fixed up.
Congratulations, and I hope Donna never get worried about this stuff again...
:P
paulomoura_ce@yahoo.com.br
At 12:39 PM, Anonymous said…
Most excellent!!!!
At 10:11 AM, Phil Jimenez said…
I love this version and for what it's worth, I'm trying to get DC to adopt it as canon!
Phil Jimenez
At 11:33 AM, Titã said…
Oh, Phil. It would be amazing!!!!
At 10:46 PM, Hellfyre D said…
Cool origin :) Now if she'd only take on a better superhero name than "Troia" ... I think Avatar even Harbinger would be better ...
At 2:03 AM, Anonymous said…
Alright we got Phil approval.
So now all DC have to do is reboot the Titans with a new mini series."Who is Donna Troy?" the final version, get rid of Winick, put Phil incharge as Writer and Artist. Problem solved.
OK, I can dream cant I?
Thanks Bill.
At 2:15 PM, Anonymous said…
You guys are all fools. Bill's solution to Donna's origin is majorly flawed.
You see, Bill's origin is well-thought out, respects all prior stories involving the character's history, and (judging from the responses on the board) would be well-received by the fans.
In other words, it is the exact opposite of everything DC stands for these days. And because of that, Didio would rather have Winick gleefully kill off Donna than adopt it.
::sigh::
In all seriousness, Bill, that is one hell of a piece of work and I can't give you enough applause for it. As always (with the exception of the Jericho costume we'll never see eye-to-eye on), you've done a top-notch job with your post and the website. It is pretty much the only thing that keeps me interested in the Titans these days as DC is doing everything in its power to drive me away. Keep up the good work.
Mike
At 5:48 PM, Cookiehawk said…
Yeah, it's great that Phil Jimenez liked your solution and took it to DC and all. But you have to know that DiDio will never go for it...BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD IDEA! And DiDio doesn't want anything like that mucking up his universe. Coming in here with your good ideas and making sense. What are you thinking man?
At 4:15 PM, Anonymous said…
Hi Im avatar21 in dcboards, my name is César ;) well you did a pretty good job with the origin BUT also remember how Donna could have her powers back if she (as continuity tells) gave them back to the titans of myth to keep her child mortal. Thats a question that youre origin donst mention! her Darkstar era and became Troia again
Hugs
At 5:03 PM, Mr Saturday Morning said…
avatar, Donna would have gotten her powers back same we see saw it - Dark Angel erased her from history because she hates Donna, and then Wally and Diana recreated her using the magic lasso. In doing so, her powers were restored.
As I mentioned, my origin solution preserves just about everything! The only thing gone would be the Byrne add-ons, but even the Dark Angel stories (and there's only 2 big ones with Donna) can remain intact if you assume she is lying or creating confusion with a mystical spell.
At 6:43 PM, 3Dean said…
I love it! I love that it preserves pretty much all the existing stories.
I must admit that at the time I didn't mind Byrne's add-ons because it originally added more depth to a great character. But it also made her more confusing, especially when other writer's referenced it. Let's call Dark Angel a lying b-tch and retain everything else!
At 10:54 PM, Anonymous said…
I propose an essential new phrase to the comics vernacular:
"Continuity sucks".
At 12:45 PM, Anonymous said…
Hi again!! well now that explains the only doubt i have with youre origin solution and yep pal CLAPS for youu!!! you did it amazing! I always hate the fact that byrne ruin donna yto give his book (ww) something important to write. I hope that youre solution gets cannon! I looove Donna Troy and well I wanna see her portrait as the amazing heroine she is!
Thanks!+Hugs
Avvy
At 2:57 PM, titanical5 said…
Let me just say, I purposely created an account to extend my thanks for blending the proper elements of Donna's origin in the most logical, cohesive, coherent, clearest, easily understandable AND explainable 2nd hand I have EVER read since the end of COIE!
If they require some petition to motivate their sometimes, more oft-times, rigid, egotistical asses: Where else do I need to create an account to sign it?!!
BraVO!!!
At 8:41 AM, Anonymous said…
Humm.I have such a fooly question..and i understand if I will never get the answer...
But..
What happened to the little stars in Donna's hair???
They vanished!!How come??
Some storyline that i've missed???
another point..
What Donna did to New Chronos..she just abandoned it in space???
such a wonderful weapon, which could be taken away by other alien race and used against the Earth!
....
What happended..plese!!!
paulomoura_ce@yahoo.com.br
At 3:19 AM, Anonymous said…
hey....so since i was astounded by your skills at conforming donnas history i would like to ask a question. how do you think dick grayson should be handled if chris nolan would incorporate him into his universe?
At 11:03 AM, Richard Grayson said…
I think your work on Donna's origin is absolutely perfect. I hope DC includes this new (and simple) origin now that Donna is going to be in the JLA. A mini explaining this origin would be great. One of the things because I don't get into the Titans and Teen Titans was Donna troubled origin, but with your version I would consider giving her and the Titans a shot. Congratulations!!!
At 8:34 PM, Son of Baldwin said…
I love this version!
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