Tuesday, December 09, 2008

TITANS #8 Preview


io9.com has posted a preview for TITANS #8.

Looks like I'll be skipping this issue as well.

Page 5, in particular, is an offense in several ways.

18 Comments:

  • At 3:40 PM, Anonymous justin said…

    The art itself is an offense

     
  • At 7:56 PM, Anonymous Luis said…

    yeah i mean what the hell is up with that art? it just sucks the big one

     
  • At 10:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I just don't get the appeal of this book. The characters are good, they had a terrific run in their day, but it just isn't working anymore. DC should let them "graduate" to other things (the JLA or whatever)and let there just be a Teen Titans. It's a crime to the characters and the readers that a once great idea is being rehashed over and over again. Yeah they are friends, and yeah they would hang out. But this is just painful.

     
  • At 2:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm not even sure if he'd be willing to do it, but I would really, really, REALLY like to see Marv Wolfman write an issue of Titans. I bought the first two and dropped the title because of the writing and art and really don't see myself ever picking it up unless/until it's overhauled.

    I would love to see this group (without Roy, who has no place with them) written by someone with actual history and affection for the characters. Even if it's just the annual. I may be totally wrong, but I'd just like the chance to have it proved to me.

     
  • At 7:43 AM, OpenID continuityblog said…

    I don't understand why it is offensive...the art sucks, but otherwise it seemed well-written and funny.

     
  • At 10:21 AM, Blogger Hellfyre D said…

    Man ... what a list of "Ugh". When did Titans turn into Dawson's Creek mixed with St. Elmo's Fire? I thought they wanted a more "Friends" vibe to it rather than Angst-Men? I agree with you Bill, page 5 is a WTF moment, as are the various codes on page 6. Nothing against Judd, but someone else needs to be on that comic that actually likes and respects who the characters have become.
    As for the art, I don't mind it. It's similar to how Porter drew when he was doing JLA. Not to mention that he's getting back into the swing of drawing comics again after seriously damaging his drawing hand. I can think of some others I'd rather have draw this ... but I can also think of people that would be worse.

     
  • At 5:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    more retcons? oh man more work for my buddy bill....and yeah that was offensive

     
  • At 8:56 AM, Anonymous Mike Lepp said…

    Okay, WHAT is the problem with this comic? I don't get what you guys are complaining about. I'm really enjoying it. It's fun, the characters ARE well written. There's nothing wrong with this book guys. Get off your high horses and ENJOY IT. Geez...
    Oh, and...
    1) Could one of the 'Anonymous's explain to me why Roy doesn't belong here?
    2) Hellfyre D, you asked when the Titans became 'Dawson's Creek mixed with St. Elmo's Fire'. Huh. How long have you been reading about these characters, bro? They've ALWAYS had the teen/brat-pack tone and feel.

     
  • At 11:12 AM, Blogger Hellfyre D said…

    Mike Lepp wrote:
    "Hellfyre D, you asked when the Titans became 'Dawson's Creek mixed with St. Elmo's Fire'. Huh. How long have you been reading about these characters, bro? They've ALWAYS had the teen/brat-pack tone and feel."

    Mike, I've been reading Titans since New Teen Titans #1 by Wolfman and Perez :) Sure, they may have been the brat-pack of the DCU (and by brat-pack, I mean the movie teens rather than the King Hell mini, which was of course a dark parody of TT). But, let's be honest ... the original gang had their fair share of problems, but they weren't nearly as air-headed and shallow about things. Really, IMHO, the Titans have always been about family ... and what I'm reading here is more like boozing buddies rather than the family they used to be. When did Gar become a obnoxious and rude louse? Sure, he's always been a lecherous teen and arrogant, but read closely how he's written. When Donna become so flighty? Is this a result of Dark Angel? Roy was shooting up again? C'mon man ... do we need to rehash that story again?
    My main problems with the direction of this series is that it's not The Titans. There's just not that much interest invested in the characters or the evolution that's been seen in other places. I don't mind Winnick as a writer, but I don't think the Titans are his forte. Titans and Teen Titans need some serious TLC from a good writer or two and they're just not getting it. Bring on someone that cares about the team and is interested in furthering their roles rather than barely treading water in a stagnant pool of their own filth.

     
  • At 5:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i always knew this book would flop. expectations were too high, you cant keep repeating the same thing and expect the result to get better.

    i think they need to invent another step in the evolution process. so they can extend beyond titans but they're not quite JLA yet...

    1. JLA/JSA
    2. ***new***
    3. TEEN Titans
    4. ***new generation***

    MB

     
  • At 4:32 AM, Blogger Avi Green said…

    It's simply terrible seeing the Titans stuck in an utterly stupid variation on Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians. The dialogue on the 5th page is crude and disgusting, and what the cast is forced to say on the 6th page is stupid and pointless.

     
  • At 1:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mike: The premise of this series is that it's the reunited Wolfman/Perez team. Was Roy on that team? No. He doesn't belong. Plain and simple.

    Winick only has him in the book because he needs to constantly write a member of the "Arrow" family. That alone shows why he's ill-fitted to write the book. Don't launch a series "focusing" on a specific set of characters and then try to shoehorn someone else in just because you want to.

    If you don't understand that, than just keep enjoying the book. Those that are irked know these characters well and are completely justified in criticizing how awful the characterizations, etc. are.

     
  • At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Mike said…

    Look, Anonymous...
    Roy was AN ORIGINAL TITAN. How does he not belong?! The 'point' of this series was NOT to reunite the 'Wolfman/Perez' Titans, but to reunite the 'Classics' which would include Roy. He is in NO WAY being shoehorned into this series. That's like saying 'they're shoehorning GREEN ARROW into JLA because he wasn't an original member.'
    Bottom line, there's nothing wrong with this series. It's a good read. It's got a lot of my favorite comic book characters (Gar, Raven, Dick, ROY, etc.) And there's nothing wrong with Winnick's writing either, sir.

     
  • At 5:38 PM, Blogger Hellfyre D said…

    Actually, Roy did serve within the Wolfman/Perez era from time to time. No, he wasn't a permanent member, but he did work with them in a reserve capacity. So, by extension, he should be there. And, as Mike said, he was a member of the Titans before many others (though not an original IIRC, as he was their very first recruit).

    As for the writing, I've said my piece on that and everyone deserves an opinion. I'm glad you enjoy it Mike, I for one do not.

     
  • At 11:40 PM, Blogger Nightwing said…

    I don't mind Roy's inclusion. What I do mind is poor writing.

     
  • At 2:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mike: This was launched as a Wolfman/Perez team book, not an original Titans book. No Roy. Plain and simple. If they want to repurpose the series to include Titans from every incarnation, then he should most definitely be included. I have no problem with that. Winick's just screwing around with membership because he must write Roy for some reason.

    And Hellfyre, Roy was never a member of the Wolfman/Perez team. He joined after Perez left the book, during a time when Donna pulled together random people, like Jason Todd, for a make-shift team.

    A focus on the Wolfman/Perez team is the best bet for the book, as the last time they pulled together a "legacy" team from different eras, the book tanked.

     
  • At 5:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hellfyre is correct. Roy was not a permanent member of the team, but he was a reserve member. IIRC, he was working with the team when Terra first joined.

    I don't mind if Roy is on the team (but having him on both Titans and JLA makes his schedule a little impossible!). But Winick has got to go. His writing has made this book unreadable.

     
  • At 7:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    the art sucks, how dare they mess us starfires face

     

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