Tuesday, February 24, 2009

2008 Titans Titles by the Numbers: Analysis


(see 2008 Titans Titles by the Numbers below)
My Observations:

TEEN TITANS:

Analysis:
TEEN TITANS has lost over 15,000 readers in 2008. Ever single issue has shown a steady decline in sales. That's not good news at all. Something needs to stop the bleeding - and fast!

A steady membership roster may help things. I doubt new artist Joe Bennett will result in a sales spike. Sean McKeever is doing solid work here; I think he just needs some room to do his thing with a solid roster. It's a bit troubling that the membership drive storyline has not resulted in any sales increase.

Advice: It may be time to return to the formula that worked so well for the 2003 relaunch. Return to the core membership of Robin, Wonder Girl, Kid Flash and Superboy - with the additions of members like Ravager, Miss Martian, Red Devil, Blue Beetle and Static.

Thematically, I think the book also needs to be a mix of teen drama and action. Tone down the violence and gore. In other words, no more dismembered, eaten or maimed members - at least for awhile. And while Joe Bennet's pencils are good, I'd rather see a Cliff Chiang or Mike Norton on TEEN TITANS, because both artists can draw lively young characters.

It also wouldn't hurt to get a sales-boosting cover artist. I suggest George Perez, Josh Middleton or Amanda Conner.

Linking TITANS to TEEN TITANS may also be a good idea.

TITANS:

Analysis:
More bad news here. This series has lost an astounding 36,430 readers in 2008. About half it's initial readership. Now, granted, the dropoff from a #1 issue is standard. For a more sobering view, we can also note a 18,000 dropoff from #2 to #8.

Critically, this series has been derided for the most part. TITANS seems to have been fast-tracked on the belief that throwing the beloved Wolfman/Perez team back together is enough of reason to sustain a series. Obviously, it is not.

Advice: TITANS needs to shake off the stink of the first story arc. In the wake of "Deathtrap", the series needs to convince readers that the problems of the initial issues have been addressed. To do that, it needs a new creative team.

I suggest either Sean McKeever as writer (of both Titans books) or Fabian Nicieza (who worked wonders with the NEW WARRIORS). For art, I would suggest Julian Lopez (who did excellent work on TITANS #5).

The book needs a serious and significant restart to draw readers back in. After "Deathtrap", it needs a storyline that somehow gives the team a new status quo, or kicks off a mystery that will picque the interest on lapsed fans.

It also wouldn't hurt to get a sales-boosting cover artist at the relaunch. I suggest George Perez or Phil Jimenez (whose Marvel contract is up soon).

Linking TEEN TITANS AND TITANS: This was something Jonathan Peterson did well in the days of NEW TITANS, DEATHSTROKE and TEAM TITANS. The books were linked in a loose way, letting them occupy their own corner of the DCUniverse.

It's too bad "Deathtrap" is happening soon. A crossover with the Titans books could have re-energized both books and given then soft restarts, but also linking them together (with Perez covers!). It could be something as simple as the Titans becoming regular advisors to the Teen Titans. Or, having the Teen Titans mess up in a way that would make the Titans vow to keep a close eye on them.

TEEN TITANS RELATED MINI-SERIES:

Analysis: It seems no one is really clamoring for these, huh? Mid-series, it seems most of them are hovering around numbers that would get an ongoing series canceled. Even TERRA, with popular artist Amanda Conner, didn't ignite the sales sharts. TERROR TITANS did slightly better, but I'd wager that's because it has closer ties to the ongoing series (written by Sean McKeever and featuring Ravager).

Now, the one notable exception is TEEN TITANS: YEAR ONE, which sold around 30k for most of its run. Compared to other DC mini numbers, this should be seen as a success. But, in DC's infinite wisdom, they have largely ignored this series. There are no follow-up plans. No Year Two.

Advice: Any future mini-series need a stronger tie to the ongoing Titans series. Also, a return to 3-or-4 issue mini-series might be a good idea. (Trades can package an origin story with the mini to pad up the pages).

Also, greenlight TEEN TITANS: YEAR TWO.

329 Comments:

  • At 10:26 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    The problem with Teen Titans is that ever since One Year Later we have been dealing with a recruitment drive with team members joining than leaving. And because of all the turnover Teen Titas has over the past few years it is not surprising that even this recruitment arc is doing nothing to bring back fans since we have been going through a revruitment drive since Infinite Crisis ended. This title just needs a set team that will not be changing every one or two story arcs, which is what has been happening since OYL.

     
  • At 4:33 PM, Blogger MetFanMac said…

    ...Which is ironic, since a whole big deal was made about how unstable the team was during the Missing Year. At this rate, in DCU-time they'll surpass themselves within a month!

    Oh, and Adjectiveless Titans needs to be euthanized. Fast.

    I'd kill for a Young Justice relaunch...

     
  • At 10:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    For me, the major driving reason behind my leaving the comics shortly before Geoff Johns did was the poor characterization. It's all whine, whine, moan, moan, complain, complain, Superboy style.

    (On a more personal taste, I don't exactly love Mike Norton's art. Where are people's noses!?)

    Back to my guesses on why the sales are falling (other from the constant violence - that gets tiring, yes) is like I said before, characterization. That was precisely what set the beloved Wolfman/Perez team apart - characterization. I can't repeat that enough.

    Even now, I can't tell you what the members are like, what they would be doing on a dull day. I can only say that Cassie are supposed to be the all-around good girl (or "Donna" clone), that Superboy are supposed to be a cool but whining emo, that Bart are supposed to be book-smart but immature, and that Tim are supposed to be mini-Batman.

    That's all I could tell you about them. That's nothing, really. What I think would help the sales are: less DRAMA, less violence, TONS of character-building (not just the same ol' characterizations like your stereotypical whiner, brooder, or immature person, but unique and whole and new characterizations), and possibly NEW story plots?? Le gasp!

    THEN after those have been established (meaning: new and TALENTED writers for once) could we start worrying about art. I'm happy with a badly-drawn comic if the story plot and characters are wonderfully developed.

    (On the side note, I adore Tiny Titans - it slightly eases my sorrow of seeing Teen Titans Go! being cancelled.)

     
  • At 9:59 PM, Blogger Hellfyre D said…

    To reinvigorate Teen Titans, we need a more youthful approach to the title, but retain some of its seriousness. Take an artist like Jim Cheung or Todd Nauck and have him work closely to redesign the team a bit. That said, I agree with working towards the original formula. Let's have certain roles filled that are reminiscent, but not a total rip, on the original New Teen Titans. I think this is why Young Justice worked so well. Let them grow into their own villains, but also have some Titans villains gunning for them.

    Oh ... and kill Ravager. Man am I sick of that character.

    The mess known as Titans, on the other hand, needs a shot in the arm. Take an artist like Bagley, Grummett or Derenick and let them shine on the book. First thing, they need a leader. In the absence of Nightwing (which I won't go into my opinion there), allow someone like Flash (West), Donna or Aqualad step up to lead. Sure, make it a family book. Sure, allow for the Friends sort of appeal ... but remember their history and allow them to grow into larger roles. Two things that baffle me are 1) Why do the Titans constantly find themselves at odds with the JLA? and 2) Why they have such a shallow pool of adversaries. Do we need more stories with Trigon? Do we need yet another appearance of Deathstroke? Let's think new, let's think of this team more like Outsiders or JLA ... I think they've earned it.

    Crossovers. Well, I think the books should flow next to each other. It's good to have the occasional crossover and it'd be cool if these teams worked out of the same tower. Let them work together and let the kids learn from the original teen team.

     
  • At 11:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If there is one thing Titans (or any DC book for that matter) does not need, it is any more dead characters. Though I will agree that Ravager is being horribly mishandled.

    Not that it matters, because Didio will just blame the slump on the economy and continue his "brilliant vision". *facepalm*

     
  • At 9:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have been primarily a DC fan and the Titans are my favorite characters, but I can’t take it anymore! From the latest solicitations from DC I plan to pick up a total of 2 titles (both mini series). Battle for the Cowl (I love Tony Daniels work) and Oracle. I finally decided I am not doing the books any favors by buying them when they’re crap. I don’t care about any of the current Teen Titans, so why by the book. I do care about all the characters in Titans, but the stories are so bad, it hurts.

    ~ Rick

     
  • At 12:58 PM, Blogger Avi Green said…

    The only way the Titans franchise can get a chance at improvement is if DiDio leaves as editor. He's part of the problem, as has been ever since that horror called Identity Crisis.

    Regarding what could possibly improve the Titans, maybe if they were to do more stories like what was written back in the 80s, where they combat drug dealers. And with communist Russia returning, courtesy of Vladimir Putin, I'm sure there's a good story or two that could be written that alludes to the Cold War. Even modern-day terrorism is something they could tackle, even in allegorical format. But the problem is that there's no telling if the current comics industry would let it happen, if at all. Instead, we've got excessive, pointless violence littering up the comics, among other things that do not help matters.

    I figure that, if anything, comics, the Titans included, will soon be continuing their existence in trade paperback format, if comics are to survive. If they do, then there may be hope that they can improve, and will find more of an audience there. They will, however, need more responsible editors and writers to make that happen.

     
  • At 11:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Teen Titans has sucked ass since Jericho came back. unfortunately with joe bennet coming in...he blows imo so no hope there.

    if they can make it good again i might pick it up again. i do kinda miss it, but they did totally ruin the book.

    too many dead titans. a different line up every issue. its too hard to care about anything. rotating line up = retarded.

    i knew Titans would flop. they think they can recreate new teen titans with the characters being there. but if they're not written well or the book's events are rehashed and unoriginal there's not going to be anything good out of it.

    MB

     
  • At 12:36 PM, Anonymous Cenzo said…

    Maybe if Teen Titans the book had a creative team worth checking out, (and a decent roster), it wouldn't have the problems it's having now.

    Titans seems to get a bad rap, for m money, it's more entertaining than Teen Titans right now.

    Let the hate commence!

     
  • At 3:17 AM, Blogger D-Man said…

    With the Teen Titans, I definitely agree that the membership changes are hurting the book. Relationships among the team members can't develop if they're shifting around. I have a hard time understanding why some of the people at DC have believed that the roster changes were a good idea. Have cameo appearances or something, but leave us somewhat of a 'family' concept. Of course, the killing and maiming should stop. I'm fine with Robin and Ravager coming back at some point, but don't necessarily reverse this new membership. That would feel wrong, too. I'm happy with the artwork on TT right now, although some added details within the frames would be pleasant.

    The problem with the older Titans is that the 1980s team is approached SO VERY differently from the way Wolfman / Perez wrote and drew them. The Titans' artwork now is mostly atrocious. That's how I feel about the spotlighting mini-series too. I couldn't bring myself to buy 'Raven' because the artwork made me upset. I bought Cyborg, but the storyline was kind of bizarre and too drawn-out. I picked up two of the TT:Y1 in hopes of good writing, but the artwork made them REALLY look like pre-teens (like the age of the DEO kids from the Epsilon storyline).

    The Trigon storyline was bad. I'm not happy with the fact that Jericho wasn't left intact for awhile before someone had to take him to Crazytown. I can't help saying it - I love the group that made up the Titans in 1984. Sure, they'd have to go through changes. But come on, DC, treat these books with some respect! Give the storylines some more thought.

    Can we see Tempest again?

    I think that using different cover artists is like false advertising. I wish that the interior artists would be the ones doing the covers on every comic book.

     
  • At 10:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The Teen Titans need a stable team. It seems like every comic that comes out a team member has either left, is killed or injured, or, with the latest, has lost their powers. What are they down to? Three or four members now?

    And like D-Man said I wouldn't mind Robin and Ravager coming back at some point. Robin was my favorite character. And, also as D-Man said, the artwork could use a bit of improvement in frame details. Stories have been kind of disappointing but I'm going to stick around for a little longer to see if Teen Titans will improve.

     
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