Friday, December 04, 2009

Red Arrow's Gruesome Fate


Newsarama takes a look at the latest Titans-related maiming: "SPOILERS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE: CRY FOR JUSTICE #5 AHOY: You’ve either seen or heard what happened in last week’s issue of Justice League: Cry for Justice #5 by now. In the last few pages, an apparently mind-controlled Freddy “Shazam!” Freeman is revealed to have ripped off Roy “Red Arrow” Harper’s right arm above the elbow. Supergirl cauterizes the wound with her heat vision prior to taking on Freddy (whom it would seem is doing the bidding of Prometheus) on the final page. I have a variety of thoughts on this, so I’ll just separate them out and take them one at a time."

A lot of fans feel betrayed by what they see as the frequent maiming and killing of heroes that they enjoy following. And Roy’s not exactly a new guy; he’s been around in some form for 68 years as of last month. The most obvious manifestation of this discontent where the Justice League is concerned in centered around characters associated with the Justice League International. In recent years, Blue Beetle II, Rocket Red, and more have been killed off. Most recently, Tasmanian Devil, a JLI supporting player and one of the few gay super-heroes in the DCU, was killed and skinned for a rug by the villain of this very series. While it’s a truth of both comics and the real world that terrible things happen to heroes, a number of readers feel disenfranchised when actions have been taken to these extremes.

Also, for a character with a lengthy history and presence in the DCU, the move (which could be very easily overturned, as noted above) feels a lot more like a cheap shock, an easy jolt to punch up a cliffhanger. In recent years, that seems more likely to frustrate and anger fans rather than get them back for the next thing.
Is this sort of thing even surprising in the current DCU? Willl Red Arrow become the "big villain in 2010 who isn't a villain yet," according to Didio? Are Titans fans getting too apathetic to care much anymore?

324 Comments:

  • At 4:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Oh great, they are making Red Arrow into the next "Risk". I mean come on these guys are looking for "shocking twists" Why not more in-depth characters to makes things interesting. What are they going to do next kill off Nightwing?

     
  • At 5:14 PM, Blogger EoRaptor said…

    Is Didio secretly schlock twist director M. Knight Shamylan?

    "What a Twist!"

    I mean, seriously? YES! Titans Fans are becoming Apathetic! That's ~WHY~ TPB just broke up a floundering comic, apathetic readers staying away in droves!

    And this $h!+ is why. Yes, Bad things do indeed happen.... but aren't comic books about escapism? about forgetting those things and delving into a universe where the good guys always (or at least mostly) win?

    In addition to those characters killed recently, what about the ones who have been "angsted" into impotence? Characters like Rose Wilson and Cassie Cain and Raven, continually yanked back and forth through the good and evil hoops until the readers really don't give a $h!+ any more.

    I mean, I am a fan of old guard characters like Roy here... but honestly, when can we just say enough is enough; and either earn these characters and their stories some stability and consistency, or do away with them PERMANENTLY and get some new, more stable characters?

     
  • At 5:21 PM, Blogger EoRaptor said…

    Anonymous: already did that of course... Dick is now the bat ya know, and there's a new kryponian Nightwing (II or III depending on your count)

     
  • At 10:47 PM, Blogger D-Man said…

    In the past 26 years I've been following the Titans, the character development with Roy has pulled me in and made me a real fan of his. I have really been interested in the struggle he has between being a hero and wanting to be a great father to Lian. I have been buying the DC books, but the stories have left me disappointed and confused as to why it's so popular to damage or kill the heroes in order to present the tale. To do this to an archer presents an interesting conflict for the future, but I just don't understand why the creators think it's a good idea. They've really let the teams fall to pieces. This series with the older Titans that I love had good potential, but the writing / development has been utter crap. I mean, why bring them back if you're not going to treat the task with any positive outlook? And I have watched the other teams dilapidate, too. This round of the JLA started off well, but the writing abruptly let the team disintigrate (horrible choice, DC). The Justice Society's premise for this round was good, but the introduction of Magog initiated a reversal of their goal. And this month, there was a really abrupt choice to split the team apart. I'm stopping my collection of that book now. I did thumb through JSA All-Stars, but the artwork is quite unappealing to me. I guess I'm okay with Batman family changes(I LOVE Tony Daniel!), but we all know that eventually there will be an about-face happening there. The only series going well is Green Lantern (and I really don't like the way the Corps book is handled - would really like to see Kyle treated better). And in Blackest Night, how many atrocities to the hero community are being committed? I think it's awful that Hawkman, Hawkwoman, and Tempest have all been killed (among others)! I know the Hawks will be brought back, but I bet that Tempest will be left dead and that's another character who I really liked! Sure, DC, you can rest your laurels on the fact I've been buying your damn books, but you're pissing me off. And Didio, you need to stay the hell away from the creative efforts of the Games book. I mean it!

     
  • At 12:13 AM, Blogger Thomas said…

    I think what's causing me to turn away is how these terrible bouts of sex and violence are the only things offered to us in lieu of characterization.

    It's all in the misguided attempt to make the DCU more 'adult'....which is why there's been this fatwa against the JLI characters since Identity Crisis (let's not forget, in addition to the incidents cited in the article, that this period of the DCU was kicked off by the rape flashback--and present day immolation and murder--of Sue Dibney, arguably the central character of that whole run) and the Titans are being used as a constant stream of cannon fodder.

    Look, I wouldn't mind if you tore off Roy Harper's arm if you had moments of joy, and moments of emotions and not just this parade of shock after shock.

    (Oh, and I can't stand the fetishistic hero worship of Hal Jordan that stands in for Green Lantern. I liked my Hal as flawed, thank you very much.)

     
  • At 1:04 AM, Blogger Brainy Pirate said…

    But even the accusation against Freddy doesn't make sense, since he's clearly in the main room AFTER Kara wanders off...

    The only conceivable candidate for what happened to him is Hawkman -- look at it again and notice when he vanishes....

    I am surprised that DC is telling us that bad things happen to heroes in real life -- I guess I thought we were on Earth-Prime where the heroes are only in the comics. Are there costumed heroes out there that I'm not hearing about?

     
  • At 4:18 AM, Blogger kory said…

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  • At 4:20 AM, Blogger kory said…

    "Oh, and I can't stand the fetishistic hero worship of Hal Jordan that stands in for Green Lantern. I liked my Hal as flawed, thank you very much."

    Well said. That and the another fetishstic worship of Barry Allen is so damn awful to no end. I didn't get into comics ten years ago because of those two . It's #@$!ed up enough that Didio wants Dick dead for some retarded reasons, Wally and Kyle get shafted, now Roy get's his arm ripped off?! This type of shit should be in Wildstorm or Vertigo. He and Marvel's Joe Quesada fail to realise that comics aren't published just for them.


    I blame Paul Levitz for allowing Didio with Johns, Winick, Beechan, Morrison, Robinson, etc. to wreck havok these past few years. Aside from vetoing the Didiot's request to off Dick Grayson, he was a crap President and Publisher. Friggin' traitor!!

    I wish Jenette Khan never left back in '02. This crap would never happen under her watch. Why didn't they make Mike Carlin VP and EiC instead of the balding-mushtached $#!^-stain that is Dan Didio?

     
  • At 8:27 AM, Blogger Thomas said…

    ....because, Kory, as much as we long-standing fans find Dan Didio...well, odious....he's doing what he was appointed to do--get DC books moving, and elevate their profile.

    That he's doing it by treating the lesser tier heroes of the DCU as teenagers in a slasher movie matters not to the higher-ups.

    And don't get me wrong--writers like Johns, Morrison and Robinson have done a lot that I've liked. Robinson did the amazing STARMAN, and collaborated with Johns on those earliest issues of JSA. Morrison did defining runs on DOOM PATROL and JLA. But when it comes to Johns, his man-crushiness concerning Hal Jordan borders on slash fiction (and the nadir was that fourth issue of BLACKEST NIGHT, where Barry scolds all the other heroes for not being 'more like Hal.'), I'm sorry, but it amazes me that everyone praises this.

    It seems like DiDio thinks the only way to make DC more adult is by amping up the sex and violence to gruesomely impossible levels. And yet, he also wants to restore everything to the pre-Crisis status quo. Which is why all these Titans and JLI members are being slaughtered and mutilated.

    Oh, and 'bad things happen to heroes in real life'? Not every. single. one. of them. Some of them actually, you know, have happy, fulfilling lives.

     
  • At 11:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I like to look at this with a little more positivity. Sure, DC's killing/maiming a lot of characters now... but they'll run out soon and then the good stories can start. They just need to get the slaughtering out of their system or something. You'll see! Good stories have to come soon!

     
  • At 11:41 AM, Blogger MetFanMac said…

    Well, I was a bit upset about the fact that it happened to Roy, but on the whole yes, I'm very apathetic about this sort of thing because they just. Keep. Doing it!!

     
  • At 8:50 PM, Blogger kory said…

    "....because, Kory, as much as we long-standing fans find Dan Didio...well, odious....he's doing what he was appointed to do--get DC books moving, and elevate their profile."

    In the wrong direction, no doubt.

     
  • At 8:58 PM, Blogger EoRaptor said…

    "In the wrong direction, no doubt."

    Pretty much. DC is really becoming a cliche of itself, writing to alternately please 40-something fanboys, and writing to please a non-existent fanbase (I hope) of fans of shock-writing and angst-lust. And anyone OUTSIDE the fold looks in and see's... all the worst cliche's that they have always suspected of comic books and their fans, rather than engaging material.

     
  • At 9:37 PM, Blogger Thomas said…

    Eo...I don't think it's '40-something fanboys' that DiDio is courting. I'm willing to bet if you ask comic fans in their 40's, like me, they'd be really dissatisfied with what he's been doing.

    What he's chasing is the 'casual' fan, the one who's not following the books in pamphlet format, but trade paperbacks, the one who's concept of exciting literature is influenced by what he sees in summer blockbusters and cable television series. The one who hasn't grown up with the characters, who are more familiar with the 'classic' versions of these characters as opposed to the ones that were developed post-Crisis, and who want to see spectacle and blood and thunder.

    And those are the people who are making up DiDio's DC Nation. People like us who have been around for awhile...well, he doesn't care about us.

     
  • At 8:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    They had better be sewing his arm back on now! No robotic arms or any of that crap! He is an archer give him back his arm!

    You know I was actually starting to think positively again about DC, with hopes that Blackest Night would bring back some of my favorite characters that have been killed (Lilith, Jade, Pantha). I was looking forward to the Titans run in Justice League, but not any more.

    This is crap and I'm pissed!

    ~ Rick

    another 40 year old fan.

     
  • At 5:26 PM, Anonymous DavePT said…

    When I first read JL: Cry For Justice I though it was over the top and cheesy. Well, it is. But I really do think that is the point. Nothing Robinson writes reads like this. I think the over-emotional dialogue, gruesome deaths, maiming, and out-of left-field plot twists points to a tongue in cheek commentary on the way comics are currently being written. Of course I could totally be wrong on this and people might be more upset with the maiming of Roy if the above is the case. If anything it gives me hope that he will turn back the Arsenal name. In the end I don't think the book was written like a cliche of current writing on accident. Think about it.

     
  • At 9:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yeah this whole thing is a mess. I agree with the poster who said that they are pushing the sex and violence. I stopped reading marvel b/c of that very reason.

    I don't know if there is a way to save the titans. They have completely destroyed them. Having Winnick write the first arc was a horrible mistake. They should have gotten someone who can actually write and cares about these characters and not someone who turned the comic into the Melrose Place comic.

    There is no direction just lots of rehashing of the traitor storyline. And all they keep on doing is killing or maiming Titans. That is not how to keep interest in a book or its characters.

    - Seafire

     
  • At 12:50 PM, Anonymous Jaymes Eagan said…

    DC is just screwing up the Titans beyond recognition which imho is going to ruin the company.
    Due to the fact I am a big Roy Harper fan I hope DC does something great with the character that is similar to what Marvel did with Buck Barnes.
    But I doubt that would happen since DC is more interested in killing their young characters off while the Golden Age heroes have been fighting the good fight for over sixty years.

     
  • At 12:52 PM, Anonymous Jaymes Eagan said…

    DC is just making the New Avengers & Xmen look better and better now.

     
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